Inwaba yaphela ngokuqhambuka kwemfazwe, iTabakov yayineminyaka engama-6 ubudala. UBawo nonina - oogqirha - benza umsebenzi wabo, kwaye eyona nto ebalulekileyo ebomini yayinothando nogogo. Ukususela kwimpembelelo yesitrato inkwenkwe yagqiba ekubeni igcine kwisiganeko sobume beSixeko soovulindlela kunye nabantwana besikolo. Enyanisweni, yonke into yaqala khona. Yintloko ye-studio yaseSaratov, u-Oleg Pavlovich ucinga nje ngokuthi "unkulunkulukazi kwi-profession.
Ngokungafani nabalingane abaninzi, ebomini bakhe u-Oleg Tabakov akazange afune ukubethelela iinqunivesithi ezinkulu zemfundo - wabhalisa ngokukhawuleza ukuya kwiiziko ezimbini - kwiGITIS nakwiSikolo sase-Moscow Art Theatre esabizwa nguNemirovich-Danchenko ... Wakhetha i-Moscow Art Theater School-Studio. Ukususela ngoko uye wadlala ... Uluhlu lweendima zakhe kwimidlalo yecaterari kunye ne-cinema luza kuthatha iphepha elingaphezulu kweyodwa, kunye nokufundisa (kwaye kungekhona kuphela eRashiya, kodwa nakwamanye amazwe: iintetho zakhe eMelika zaye zahlanganiswa nguMurray Abraham noDustin Hoffman) ezimbini iindiyetha - i-Moscow Art Theater. I-Chekhov kunye nodumileyo "I-Snuffbox" ... Kodwa yena uzibiza ngokuba engumlawuli, kodwa "umphathi weengxaki", owakwazi ukumvuselela nje ngexesha elibunzima letheyetha, kodwa kwakhona ukubuyela kubabukeli apho. Ubomi bomntu siqu bukaThabakov buxutyushwa ngokuzonwabisa: iminyaka eyi-15 sele idlulile ukusuka umtshato weThabakov oneminyaka engama-60 ubudala, kumdlali we-30 ubudala, u-Marina Zudina. Okwangoku, iTabakov, ingakhathazeki ngokukodwa ngokubaluleka kokubala kwinxalenye kaMarina (ngaphambi komtshato, ubuhlobo babo abuzange bube neminyaka engama-12), uvuyo ngokuzalwa kwabantwana - uPaul noMas. Kulokuba ubona intsingiselo yobukho kunye nomthombo wamandla
Ngentlokwenkwe yakhe 75 uhoxisa ngokukhawuleza, udlala iTartuffe kwisiteji, uqhuba iindibano zeemidlalo, unikeza iintyatyambo kubhinqa bakhe abathandayo kwaye uzama ukuhambelana nentsha yanamhlanje. Ngomsebenzi ophazamisayo, malunga nolwalamano phakathi kwabantu kunye nababukeli - uOleg Tabakov uthe ngendlebe nodliwano-ndlebe.
- Uyazi, Oleg Pavlovich, nabantu abanjengawe, andifuni ukuthetha malunga nento ecacileyo kwimicimbi yakho, indima.
Siyabulela oko!
- Yiyo yonke into.
Ewe, ndinento? Ndenza into endiyithandayo, kwaye ndivuyisa abanye! Kuye kwenzeka ukuba yena uyavuya, kwaye ndibanceda nabanye bavuye. Ngoko, wena, umzekelo, uyavuya xa ubona i-movie enhle okanye ukusebenza?
- kakhulu!
Nangona akukho nto entsha yafunyanwa, eyayiva okanye yabonwa?
- Nokuba kunjalo!
Nangu wena-umbonisi owaziyo. "Kusuka kwinqanawa lethu," njengoko abazalwana abenzayo bathi!
- Uhlala uqhagamshelana noluntu. Ngaba unomdla kwaye ngaba uyayidinga emva kwakho konke okubonayo, ufunde?
Oo, o ... kunjalo. Ndihlala ndithetha nabaphulaphuli bam. Kwi-bazaar, kwivenkile, nabamelwane ekuhlaleni. Ewe, andiyikhathazi. Musa ukucinga ngantoni enje. Ndihlala ndiphulaphule abantu abafuna ukuthetha into ethile, ukuba bafumane. Emva koko, mna ngokwam ndisebuncinaneni bam.
- njani?
Njalo apha! Ngaphandle kwenkosi yam entloko (ehleka). Yisiphelo sobutsha nolutsha ukuba baphile njengento ejikelezayo entsimini kunye nama-daisies kunye namaflowflowflowers. Kuzo zibini, ukubhabha, ukubhabha.
- Ukuba ukhangele iminyaka, phakathi kwabalandeli bakaTabakov abaselula okanye abadala?
Amafomu am amnandi kuba baninzi, kwaye ahlukeneyo. Uhluke kakhulu. Kwaye umntu uza neqela leentyatyambo zentlambo, kwaye umntu uletha ibhasikidi yeentyatyambo, kwaye usenayo imali kwiholo. Into eyona nto kukuba bonke bafika kwibala le midlalo ngenxa yothando kum, kwaye ngenxa yoko bafumana uvuyo kunye nemizwa evela kuyo yonke into epheleleyo. Yiloo nto ibalulekileyo. Ngaba uyaqonda? Into ephambili kukuba ngamnye wabo (ngokuqinisekileyo, ndiyathemba ukuba wonke umntu), oza kwi-theatre, ubheka iindonga zakhe ngendlela ehluke ngokupheleleyo kunye nomoya.
- Ngaba kukho ukusebenza ebomini bakho okwenze "umntu ohlukile"?
Ndineminyaka engama-75 ubudala! Kwaye ndiyithande le midlalo kusukela ebuntwaneni. Ngaba ucinga ukuba kukho into enje ebomini bam? Kakade, kwakunjalo. Omnye umbuzo kukuba uneminyaka engama-75, akusiyo yonke into oyikhumbulayo. Ngokuchanekileyo, akunjalo. Khumbula, kodwa kungenjalo. Uyazi, kuba imemori yabantu ihlelwe ngendlela efanelekileyo ukuba ibhokisi lethu lihlale lihle kunelibi. Ngoko malunga neentsebenzo ezitshintshileyo. Ewe, ezi ziyimveliso yeContemporary, imidlalo yeLyubimov. Kodwa into ebaluleke kakhulu yimidlalo yamhlanje. Ngubani obambelela kunye nokwenza iimvavanyo kum namhlanje. Le yimveliso evela kuNina Chusova, iKirill Serebrennikov, uRaikin, uMashkov, i-Butusov. Andiyibhalanga yonke le nto.
- Wenzani ukugcina it talent?
I talente? Kwaye ke ndacinga, uya kuthetha ngeefom zam. Enyanisweni, ebomini, ukuhlaziywa kokubaluleka kubalulekile. Yilapho usemncinci, ubona yonke into okokuqala ngqa. Kwaye ngokubanzi, izinto ezibonakala zinamandla kakhulu, iingcamango malunga nehlabathi zifakwe kwiminyaka emi-2 ukuya kwe-5, ngoko ke indima yabazali apha iphezulu kakhulu. Emva koko iingcango zivaliwe, iibhokisi zizele, kwaye uqala ukusebenzisa oko ngaphakathi. Kancinci, ulahlekelwa ngumdla kwizinto ezikujikelezile. Ngokukhawuleza, ngesizathu esithile kubonakala ukuba xa uselula, kwaye umculo ungcono, kwaye iincwadi zinomdla ngakumbi. Ngendlela, oku akunjalo ngaso sonke isikhathi. Nje i-aesthetics ejikeleze ngathi iyatshintsha - ayinakupheka.
- Ekubeni wena ngokwakho ushilo malunga nefom ye ... Ngaba ucinga ngamapounds angaphezulu?
Ukuba andizange ndone, andizange ndicinge. Ndiyathetha ngesono sobukrakra, ngendlela. Ngokuqhelekileyo, ngenxa yokusebenza ndilahlekelwa kwi-800 grams ukuya kilogram. Kodwa ekubeni ilahleko idibeneyo, ndilapha, kwaye ndiya kuhlawulela ngee-pie ezihlanu. Oko kukutya kwam!
- Uye wafumana uvuyo lobawo ngamaxesha amane. Yiyiphi eyona nto yayingummangaliso, engavamile?
UPasha noMas, ozalela uMarina. USasha, intombi yomtshato wokuqala, uAnton - uyinkwenkwe. Kwaye amadoda ahlala eqala ukufuna abafana. Ndabona uAnton esibhedlele, ndaqonda ngokukhawuleza-yam! Ngokuqhelekileyo, bobabini ubuhle kunye nobunzima bobawo babecinga xa uAnton noSasha befunda esikolweni esiphakeme. Xa kwakukho ezinye izikolo, iingxaki zentsha. Emva koko ndaqonda ukuba ndinoxanduva lwabo, kunye nezenzo zabo. Kwakukho imeko enjalo - u-Anton waphula iglasi, endaweni ethile kunye nabafana esesangweni lokusela, wayesevalelwe ngamapolisa, kwaye emva koko akazange ahambe esikolweni ixesha elide. Emva koko ndacinga: "Ngaba into endiyenzayo? Mhlawumbi abantwana bam ababoni indlela yokuphila? "Kodwa, ngokunyanisekileyo, u-Pasha noMasha - oku kukuvuyisa kwam. Ndiza nje ndageza kuwo. Baye kum. Sinemidlalo yethu, iingxoxo kunye neethathu zefilimu. Xa uMarina eshiya kwindawo ethile yokudubula okanye kutyelelo, asinayo nayiphi imfuno yamannies. Ndiba thabatha, ndiqhuba yonke indawo, kwaye ke, baziphathe njengeengelosi. Ngokwabo.
Zi thobile. Kuphela ke, ngokuqinisekileyo, abadlali abathile bavela. Le ntloko igxothwa ngasemva, ngoko ububula ngandlela-thile ngendlela ekhethekileyo. Kuyamangalisa.
- Abantu abaninzi bayazi ukuba uphethe iimboniso ezimbini, apho iinkwenkwezi zaseRashiya zisebenza kunye ne-cinema. Bonke bavule ngokucacileyo baze bamkele ngasese ukuba ungumkhokeli omkhulu, oyingqayizivele. Ngelo xesha, udlala kwindawo yokudlala, udlala iminyaka engama-75 kwisiteji, wenza iifilimu uze uhlale ngokulinganisela namhlanje ... Indlela yokudibanisa? Njani ukulawula?
Kulula kakhulu. Udinga ukuthanda umsebenzi wakho. Yenza kuphela ishishini lakho ozithandayo. Thetha nabantu ababathandayo. Nika njalo ithuba lokulungisa kwaye ungakheli udumo, kodwa makube njalo. Kwaye ukuba ube negunya phakathi kwabantu abangama-20-30 ubudala, umntu makakhumbule into awayeliphupha ngayo ebusheni bakhe. Kodwa oku akuyona into ephambili.
- Yabelana ngundoqo?
Funda uShakespeare. "Hamlet" yincwadi apho unokufumana iimpendulo ezininzi kunye nemibuzo emitsha. Ngexesha elithile, mhlawumbi, ndandineminyaka engama-30-33 ubudala, ndathi itekisi yeHamati:
"Umkhwa uyintshaba yobomi bonke," kwaye waqala ukuhlala ngokufanayo! Musa ukusetyenziswa, kodwa uhlale. Nangona ndiyamncoma induduzo. Ukutya okulungileyo - ndiyamthanda. Ukuhlala nabahlobo kwindawo yokutyela efanelekileyo - ngokuqinisekileyo. Xa babonisa ibhola okanye iHockey-andiyi kushiya indlu nonke. Ngoko zigwebe-izinto zam zimbi okanye akunjalo.
- Ebomini uOleg Tabakov - umntu onobungozi kubathandekayo?
Ungubani wena ... Ungubani ... Ndingumntu ebomini bokuphila, njengoko uCarlson uthe. Ndikhululekile ngokupheleleyo kwimpilo yemihla ngemihla. Ndifuna iincinci, kodwa ikhonkrithi. Oko kukuthi, ukuba unyana kaPasha uyazi ukuba ekuseni ndiyayisela itiye emnyama kunye neepuniwe ezintathu zeshukela, isonka esimhlophe kunye nebhotela kunye ne-apricot jam, ngokokudla kwasekuseni ndifumana loo nto.
- Ngaba uziqeqeshile?
Hayi, ayikho. Ungubani ... Kungokuthi thina kwintsapho yethu yenziwe ukuba yenze enye imnandi kwaye ilungile. Kwabesifazana babo - ngokwemvakalelo yomfazi nentombi-ndisoloko ndinika iintyatyambo ngokufanayo. Kungcono ukulibala ngoMatshi 8, kuba wonke umntu wenza oku. Kodwa khumbula njalo ngezipho kunye neentyantyambo - oku, ngombono wam, kuchanekile.
- Nicer. Ndikuxelela oku njengowesifazane!
Yiloo nto ndiyicinga ngayo! Kwaye ndinqwenela ukuba emva komfazi ngamnye kwakukho indoda eyamkhumbulayo, kungekhona malunga neeholide eziqhelekileyo.
- Nento elahlekileyo ngumfazi wamanje, ucinga?
Inkululeko kwisakhelo nakwiindibano ezikulo makhosikazi azinyameleyo aphumelele ukufumana kwixesha leminyaka elidlulileyo. Nangona kunjalo -funda ukungafihla iimvakalelo. Kufuneka uvule kwaye uthethe
- "Ndiyamthanda", "Ndiyathanda", "Ndiyazi".
"Kodwa abantu bathanda iminqweno." Kutheni sifanele sibeke onke amakhadi phambi kwakho kanye?
Yingakho ayanele ukuba ngumfazi kuphela. Kubalulekile ukuba ube ngumfazi ozilumko oya kuthetha oku ukuze umntu, ukuba engamthandi, uya kucinga: "Kuthekani ukuba igosa lam?" Uyabona? Akukho mntu unokuza kuthetha ukuba ndiya kusebenzisana namagunya. Kwaye kwenzeka ukuba wonk 'ubani wayemangaliswe xa ebonisa ukuba ndinako. Ngaba ucinga ukuba ndivela kwiinjongo ezinkulu? Hayi! Ndandifuna nje kuloo ndawo, eyayiyiminyaka emininzi ihlanganiswe kwiindawo zokugcina izakhiwo kunye nezakhiwo ezahlukahlukeneyo, yenziwa ukulungiswa kwangempela kubadlali abathunga i-chic, iingubo zangempela. Ukuba abadlali babenokukwazi ukuyisebenzisa ngokuqhelekileyo kunye nokuhlwaya ukutya kwigumbi lokudlela, baphuze itiye egumbini labo lokugqoka baze bafike nge-7 ntambama ukuze bahambe behle, baqokelele kwaye batshintshe, ukuba banqobe umbonisi. Oko kungenxa yento yonke, ndiyamqhinga, kodwa ngokunyanisekileyo.
- Awuyi kuhamba ngomqala wengoma yakho?
Hayi, ayikho. Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndiza kuphinda ndiphinda kwakhona. Yonke into endiyenzayo inomdla kwaye kuphela kuba ndiqonda ukubaluleka kwezenzo zam kwaye zibandakanya ntoni.
Ngaba lo ngumsebenzi kuwe?
Umsebenzi? Kuvakala kakhulu. Hayi, ayikho. Uyazi, kwi-Jeniusatrical director of Jury Butusov, i-Hamlet ibangela umbuzo othi "Ukuba okanye ungabi", kodwa "Yiba oko kuza kuba. Yonke inokulungiswa. " Ngoko andizami ukuzenza ukuba ndizenzele into ngenxa yendibano yezemidlalo, kodwa ndenza nje. Ukufa, njengoko uRanevskaya uthe, isona sihenyukazi. Ndiyathemba, uya kundinika ixesha elide lokwenza izinto eziyimfuneko.
"Ngaba ucinga ngokufa?"
Andicingi nje ngento, ndiyazi kakhulu malunga nalo!
"Ngaba ukhathele ukwesaba?"
Ukuhlasela kwam intliziyo yokuqala kwenzeka ngeeminyaka engama-29. Emva koko, kwakukho amaxesha amaninzi, iziganeko. Nawo onke amaxesha, kungakhathaliseki ukuba ndiba nesibindi kangakanani, ukufa kwakubonakalisa ubuso bam. Ngoko ndakhangela kulo. Kwaye ngaphezu kweyodwa. Kwaye ndakhangela, ndiyazi ukuba akufanelekanga ukuloyika lo mfazi omdala.